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#26381 by danshiki
Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:57 am
I agree with Frank. Definition of "Grandfathering" is "Allowing a Preexisting Use to Continue Despite a Later Regulation". This must imply that all preexisting Premier subscribers as of December 31, 2009 would continue to pay annual subscription fee of $99.99 even when new subscribers will be required to pay $119.99. Any other interpretation of the "Grandfathering" clause will be deemed dubious and unacceptable.
#26421 by murphy
Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:14 am
Cost analysis of switching from Vonage to Ooma.

I had two lines with Vonage. Each was on the 500 minute per month plan. My monthly cost for those two lines was $47 after the end of 2008 price increase plus the taxes and fees.

(all prices are rounded up to the next dollar)

Ooma hub/scout package $250.
Second scout from eBay $35.
One year of Premier (including 1 number port) $100.
Lifetime Premier $350. (I didn't know about lifetime when I bought Premier in February).

Total cost for system 250 + 35 + 100 + 350 = 735.

Amortization: $735 / $47 = 16 months. (rounded up)

After 16 months on Ooma I break even with where I would have been with Vonage.

That will be June of 2010.
#26434 by MikeekiM
Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:02 am
Hi murphy... Here's my analysis:

AT&T Landline
Two AT&T lines with unlimited domestic LD and all the bells and whistles with voicemail
$83.00 = $40 + $31 + Surcharges and Taxes

New AT&T line - Kept one landline as backup, measured local, not a bell or a whistle
$15.00 = $7.28 + Surcharges and Taxes

Money Saved on AT&T = $68.00

Ooma VOIP Expenses
Ooma (Original Ooma Hub + 3 scouts)
- $220.00 - Original Ooma Hub + 1 Scout (Amazon)
- $35.00 - Extra Scout for Driving DVR CallerID display (eBay)
- $35.00 - Anticipated Extra Scout to Drive 2-Line Cordless Base (not purchased yet)
- $350.00 - Ooma Lifetime Premier (Purchased earlier this week)
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$640.00

Breakeven for Ooma
$640.00/$68 = 9.4 Months

Purchased in August, my breakeven point is June 2010 (hey...same as you!).
Last edited by MikeekiM on Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:18 pm, edited 2 times in total.
#26435 by franklasvegas
Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:03 am
Murphy - Great analysis! When I look back at all the $$$ I paid Vonage - AARRGGHH!!!

I would do Lifetime in a minute - but - I had my free 6 months from Costco - activated my Hub/Scout on 08/25/2009 - so my 6-month trial would go through 02/24/2010. I went ahead within a couple of weeks added an additional annual at $99.99 so I could do an included port from Vonage (completed 09-17).

So I am still in my "trial" Premier period. Would be great if Ooma would consider crediting the $99.99 towards the $349.99 (since the Lifetime includes a port which I would not be using). Net of $250.00.

I know - I am probably dreaming! :D
#26439 by MikeekiM
Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:18 am
franklasvegas wrote:Murphy - Great analysis! When I look back at all the $$$ I paid Vonage - AARRGGHH!!!

I would do Lifetime in a minute - but - I had my free 6 months from Costco - activated my Hub/Scout on 08/25/2009 - so my 6-month trial would go through 02/24/2010. I went ahead within a couple of weeks added an additional annual at $99.99 so I could do an included port from Vonage (completed 09-17).

So I am still in my "trial" Premier period. Would be great if Ooma would consider crediting the $99.99 towards the $349.99 (since the Lifetime includes a port which I would not be using). Net of $250.00.

I know - I am probably dreaming! :D


I don't think it is such a dream at all... The $99 you paid is for a service that has not even started yet... I think you *might* be in a gray area if your $99 fee was currently paying for the service you are currently enjoying... The service you bought does not start until 2/25/2010...

I would make that case and tell them that you want to subscribe to lifetime premier instead... I don't know any business that would turn money away... And tell them that you don't care how they do it... If they want to charge you the incremental $250 for the premier, or if they need to refund you for the $99, and then charge you the $349.99, it makes no difference to you...

But in my mind, as long as your service has not started yet, you should be able to apply those dollars to their upgraded level of service... Just my opinion...
#26450 by murphy
Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:58 am
My Premier trial expired March 26 so I've been on the Premier subscription for over 6 months.

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