Vtec525 wrote:Scott, why did you buy an ooma? Was it to finally get rid of the phone bills to save money? Or do you really have $$ invested in this company? LoL because i think I am hovering over your head right now..
Do you understand this:
Just give people a choice and have them SELECT to buy a hub or scout or combo.
Now I am told ooma cannot afford to do that. So let us just end it there. People posted Costco has it for $200. But you need a costco membership. Then i was told FRYs has it for $149. But you need to buy it locally only. So basically I am at square one and in the end it is still about $280 for an ooma with the number ported. That takes about 10 years on MJ. And why didn't I get MJ? Well only because they don't port - YET. Once they do, I will like to see their revenue at that point. MJ would take 10yrs to equal what i paid for an ooma.
I can see it now... Somewhereville, U.S.A.: Guy hanging around the entrance to Costco... approaches an unspecting member who is heading for the entrance: "Psst... hey buddy, can I get you to buy me an ooma while your in there? I really need one and there's no Fry's in the area."
Get real, please. First, with a little shopping the Hub and Scout can be pruchased new for less than Costco prices. I admit, I was somewhat hesitant to make the initial investment, but was convinced I wanted to try the ooma system for my home. (I already had, and still have two VOIP lines dedicated to my business.) So, I shopped the net a little and bought a brand new Hub/Scout for $210, including sales tax and shipping. (Although I had intended to replace only the one telephone line, after playing around with the system for a couple days, I signed up for Premier... and voila! here I am.) So, with fairly minimal shopping skills, I was able to purchase both the Hub and Scout for $210.
(Note: Costco's current online offer is actually a better deal.)
I purchased a couple extra Scouts on the resale market (both were new in box), and thus, I developed a feel for the market price (let's say $25-35 for now). Thus, arguably, if I sold my Scout, leaving me with my Hub, I would have had around $180 invested. Please mention this to all your friends that either can't or don't want to shell out $200.
There have been a number of ooma/MJ comparisons on this forum. I have always said that MJ has its place, and have even recommended it to a few people for certain limited applications. But, you won't likely convince anyone on this forum that MJ is equal to ooma in quality or long term price. (Well, then again, there is jackinfl who some might have thought was a MJ mole.) See below.
Vtec525 wrote:Keep in mind the majority of people in the USA are middle class, and not in your percentage.
I am sure 99% of the people who got an ooma, got one to SAVE COSTS in the long run. I already got my ooma, so I was fighting for the people who want to sign up and were hesitant to dish out about $250 up front. I was making a suggestion for ooma, because i know if they took the route I suggested, they can get MORE users, and in turn make more $$, and in turn be around longer. Do you follow me? Just how you all say ooma saves you money in the long run, well my suggestion would get ooma money in the long run. Do you see how this works?
Something is wrong with this picture. Let's see... these same middle class people need to leave their computer on 24/7, apparently without regard to the cost. See below.
Why does Microsoft lose money in xbox by selling the consoles so cheap? It is to make money in the long run on games.. Now I know ooma does not have the $$ that M$ does, but I didn't say to take a huge loss on the hubs. If they are hand to toe at this, then leave it how it is and let us see where ooma is in 4yrs.
WHOA! Isn't that what our POTS provider was doing... relatively low entry cost... then charge an exorbitant price for a separate menu of extras... o.k. you can bundle for a less exhorbitant price.
Vtec525 wrote:I know they did drop the price somewhat because before they almost went out of business. Hopefully that doesn't happen to them again. I am not AGAINST ooma, but am hoping they survive and their hubs last.
Now if what I said is totally impossible to achieve, then drop it. As i said, i already have an ooma. My only concern is the LIFESPAN of the hub now. If it lasts 5 or more years, I am happy. If it breaks in 2yrs, then I won't dish out $250 again. I will just take a loss at that point. I don't have a mansion like you or spare $$ to throw around and 'try' things.
Then... buy the extended warranty. See below.
Vtec525 wrote:Where I live, the economy is not doing so well. I don't know how it is in your neck of the woods (90210).
Newsflash... things are a little tough in most areas right now.
I hate to repet myself, but on page 2 I said: "Actually, the value of the individual scout has been established by the market for the most part. About $25-35 (plus shipping). So, it seems to me that assuming a $229 bundle price works, the pricing should be $189-199 for Hub only, and $29-39 for the Scout. BTW, the current Costco in store special offers the Hub only for $199.
Regarding a cost comparison against MagicJack, I posted a similar analysis in another post, but then learned that MJ is, in fact, offering a 5 year plan at $60 for the full five-year period. So, consider the following:
There definitely is a cost to running a computer 24/7, assuming one want's the convenience of 24/7 telephone service. Granted there is debate over just how much cost must be factored in, but there seems to be no denying that there is an added cost.
Assuming for the sake of discussion only that one wanted 24/7 phone service for a single line at a single location, ooma can be obtained for about $40 per year amortized over 5 years (plus tax for current Costco special for Hub only) or $20 per year over ten years (plus some nominal amount for the electricity to run the box). MJ over five years would cost $80 (excluding shipping) plus the cost of electricity to run the computer. Over ten years it would cost $140 plus juice (assuming the MJ service price does not change).
Assuming further for the sake of this discussion only, that it cost only $7.50 per month (or $0.25 per day) to leave the computer on continuiously (as opposed to say... 8 hours per day), the total cost of the single line MJ system would be $80 plus additional electricity cost of $450 or $530 over the five year period which comes out to $106 per year.
O.K. you say... what about the electricity cost for the ooma Hub? I have assumed it is negligible, but even if one were to reduce the marginal cost for electricity to $0.10 per day to run the PC as opposed to the ooma Hub, the MJ would still cost $80 plus additional electricity costs of $36 per year or $260.00 over the five years or $52 per year. That would put the break even at approximately 3.5 years.
Worried about the ooma equipment? An 3 year exended warranty is available for $69 (let's say $2/mo). Since the unit comes with a one year warranty, the cost should be amortized over 48 months or about $1.50 per month, and thus, meaning that the total cost of the ooma Hub only option would be less than $42 per per year. That would mean a break even of just over five years. Then again, there is no garantee that the MJ would last five years."